Saturday, 16 December 2006

国外曼联球迷对董方卓明年1月回曼联的讨论.

小董已经获得劳工证, 明年1月就要回曼联, 国内各大曼联坛子讨论都很火爆, 同样, 在国外的RedCafe论坛, 曼联官方论坛Talking Reds , 讨论同样火爆, 在Talking Reds回复达到了100多条. 我简单看了下, 对小董的评价有三种意识: 1, 高潜力球员, 能在曼联成功; 2, 只是个商业工具; 3, 无所谓并反感董(他们都知道当年董在国青对克劳琛的那句”Fxxk Off”). 我选了一些他们的回复, 作了简单翻译.

john rawsthorn
i have only seen him play once at top level (germany v.china) and he was very impressive-he holds the ball up well and is good in the air
顶级比赛, 我只看过他在中国对德国的比赛, 我印象很深刻, 他控球不错又有空中优势.
i have seen him a lot for antwerp and there is no doubt he has a lot of talent but seems to get a bit stroppy if things go badly
但我看过他很多在Antwerp的比赛, 无疑他有巨大天赋但遇到不顺的时候有些暴躁.
if saf can knock the bad attitude out of him he is going to surprise people
in style he is probably most like louis saha with a bit of ruud thrown in
如果弗爷能治治他的脾气, 那么他将会给我们一惊喜, 在风格上他最像Saha, 还有点像Van Ni.

Mst2bad
I’ve seen him only one time in the last summer tour in South Africa, he scored a very nice goal and i recall that saf said at that time that he intends to bring him back.
我只看过他在去年夏天南非的一场比赛, 他进了一个非常漂亮的球, 我认为就在那时, 弗爷决定把他带回曼联.

Colonial Red
To be perfectly honest I am not impressed by Fangzhou…I think he is a lightweight who will be eaten alive in the premiership. He reminds me too much of Park (and that is a bad thing as Park is always being knocked off the ball which is a poor characteristic for a striker). I think he will add depth until the summer but he is nothing more than a publicity/marketing tool to help break the Asian market in the abscense of Becks!
非常诚实地说, 我对Dong没什么好印象, 我认为他身体太单薄, 在英超比赛中容易吃亏. 这使我想起了Park(Park在比赛太容易被人放倒了, 何况Dong是前锋). 我只认为他只是添加了板凳深度. 他最多只是一个在我们没有Beckham时打开亚洲市场的商业工具.

john rawsthorn
the antwerp fans are also divided about him
some say he is a lazy git
and some say he is true class
i hope he takes his chance at united when he his playing with better players. he definetly has the talent but his attitude seems to be the main problem saf certainly seems to have faith in him as he persisted so long despite all the work permit problems to bring him here. lets hope he takes his chance
Antwerp的球迷对他有不同看法, 一些人认为他是个懒惰的家伙, 一些则说他是真正的球星. 我希望他能把握好在曼联与这么多优秀球员在一起的机会. 他确实有天分,但他对比赛的态度会是个主要问题.

Andy Lord
He was rated amongst the top 12 young players in the world at some awards ceremony last year wasn’t he ?
I’ve never seen him play live in a match but seen clips of his goals and he looks an assured finisher with something about him as a player. I have wanted to know quite a lot about his progress as he’s someone no one seems to talk about. I hope he carves out a United career if he’s as good as people say, SAF would undoubtedly help him on his way…good luck to the lad I say smile
他去年得到个世界12大新星的称号, 是吧? 我从来没看过他现场的比赛, 但看过一些进球录像. 看上去他是个不错的射手. 我非常想了解他的进步, 但在论坛很少人提起他. 我希望他在曼联找到他的路. 祝他好运!

ruuuuuuuuud
Trust me, Dong is a great player, he’ll be a big help to the striking department!
相信我! Dong是个伟大的球员, 他能帮我们锋线的大忙!

Shane Wilmshurst
If this is true then it’s good news, it would beef up the striking department and give us a good look at Dong to fully assess his potential and whether he is capable of making it at United. Look forward to seeing him in January if he comes back
如果是真的话这真是个好消息, 他能大大增强我们锋线实力, 让我们看看他能不能在曼联体现出他的潜质, 看看他到底是不是只是个商业工具. 让我们期待他明年1月回来吧.

triplesaber
i only saw him once in a pre season match, can remember exactly but the kid has some potentials. We should wait n see how he fits himself in the team, if hes good i dont care if hes Asian, short, tall, big, small or not, as long as he performs.
A part of it is true tht Asian players r brought in as marketing tools, but if they r good, who cares? (Becks is also used as a marketing tool, but hes an Englishman) I mean, Celtic’s Nakamura is one good example. Our own Park is also good, only tht he got knocked down too easily sometimes.. but Ronaldo got knocked down too easily sometimes too..
在季前热身赛中我看过他一场比赛, 他的确有一些潜力. 我们应该等着看他怎样融入队中, 如果他优秀, 我才不在乎他是不是亚洲人, 矮还是高,胖还是瘦, 只要他表现好. 亚洲球员能带来商业利益是个不争的事实, 但是如果他优秀, 谁在乎? (Bekcham也是个商业工具, 但他还是个英格兰人呢), 我的意思是, Celtic的中村是个好例子. 我们自己的Park也是个好例子, 只是他在比赛中的确太容易被放倒, 但是, 我们的C.罗也容易被放倒 -_-.

antwerp 1880
I am , as an Antwerp fan, equally divided about Dong myself. Personally i don’t like players that don’t like to work on the pitch. Campbell for instance runs twice as much as Dong during a game, creating chances for himself as well as his fellow players.
Although in all honesty i must admit that he is improving dramatically the last couple of games he played. He is a very skillfull striker, he finds the way to the goal easily, and last game he scored twice : 0-5 win away at OHLeuven…
我是Antwerp的球迷, 我对DONG也有不同看法. 我个人也不喜欢球场上不努力的球员. 比如说, Campbell在一场比赛中跳动量比Dong要多两倍, 给自己和队友们创造更多机会.
虽然老实说, 我必须承认他在过去几场比赛中进步很大, 他是个技术出色的球员, 他能寻到轻松的进球方式, 上场比赛在我们客场5:0胜OHLeuven的比赛中他梅开二度.

ASC Old Trafford
Look i think he never will play Manchester First team.
He is good but not that good.
He is just a marketing product.
嗯, 我觉得他永远不会进一线队. 他是不错但远远不够, 他只是个商业工具.

s-oteryk poyles
we have lots of players who don’t deserve playing in a man utd 1st team but who can be a real help in case a few players get injured.
i trust saf’s judgement especially as we’re aiming for a treble this season, i think no additional player wil be unnecessary! plus we probably need a few more striking options (remember larsson will be here only 3 months ) so in the latter stages of the season, i think we’ll need all the players we can have.
people said park was a commercial buy, but he’s proven to be a good player in a red shirt! i personnally was a lil bit skeptical about evra (he had not been particularly good for monaco in the few months preceding his coming to old trafford) but he’s now one of our best men on the ground! … there are lots of these sorts of examples which make me wait to judge players after their arrival and not before!
dong is a lazy striker? so is ruud! – one of the deadliest strikers in europe!
i only saw him play in the few pre-season games in wich he featured, so i don’t know much about him; but i’m ready to give him the benefit of the doubt (if he actually ever comes).
他们有很多进不了一线队的队员, 但这些队员在一线队员受伤的时候有很大帮助. 我信任弗爷的判断能力. 我认为所有新回来的球员都有必要!再加上我们本来就需要锋线多些选择(记得Larsson只来三个月吧), 所以在联赛后期, 我们需要所有我们自己的球员.有人说Park是个商业买卖, 但他已经证明他是名优秀的曼联球员! 我个人当时也怀疑过Evra.(在他来曼联的前几个月, 他在Monaco的表现不是很好吧), 但他现在是我们场上表现最好的几人之一. 还有许多同样的例子, 我们得在他们来之后才能作出判断.
DONG是个懒惰的前锋? Van Ni也是! 欧洲最具威胁前锋之一!
我只看过Dong在季前的一些比赛, 所以我对他不是很了解, 但我会拭目以待的.

Martin M?lgaard
We need world class players in all parts of the pitch. We cannot use good, or very good players.
Thats how I feel, and thats why we are currently top of the table(s).
我们需要的是世界级球星! 我们不能和”好” “非常好”的球员, 这是我的想法, 同样也是我们现在联赛领先的原因.

Thomas Middlehurst
frist of all dong Fangzhou is 21, I think He has done very well In the For Royal Antwerp, he was top goal scorer last year with 17 goals but when he is allowed his work permit I belive united will send him on loan to a championship club theres no way he will be able to play in the prem from the belgian second devision the step up will be massive.
首先, Dong只有21岁, 我认为他在Antwerp表现非常好, 他上赛季进了17个球, 是最佳射手, 但在他等到英国劳工证后, 我相信曼联会把他租借到英冠球队, 好适应英格兰联赛.

Alistair Hay
Dong is highly rated by all the coaching and managerial staff he has worked with, but so far some United fans have seen him as a mere marketing tool. im really hoping Dong can make it here, SAF has waited a long time for him, so i’d like to see Dong take the premiership by storm to prove the minority of United fans who are critical of his uses to the club.
DONG被教练和他身边的人高度评价, 但目前为止, 他在部分曼联球迷看来仅仅是个商业工具. 我真诚希望DONG能在这里成功, 弗爷已经等他很久了, 所有我期待DONG在英超成功, 证明给少数批评他的人看!

以前我对董还是有很期望的, 但自从那句”Fxxk off”之后, 我觉得这人有严重RPWT, 而且中国海外球员一向有被国内媒体吹捧的”传统”, 所以我认为, 董在曼联不会成功, 但我同样希望我的”认为”是错的.附上一段董方卓12月2号在Antwerp的进球视频下载, 点击下载.